Can You Manipulate a Narcissist?
People ask if it’s possible to manipulate a narcissist. How do you manipulate someone who lies and manipulates? Psychopaths and narcissists are just like anyone else, you can manipulate a narcissist if you know what they need. That’s why they lie all the time. They’re determined from the beginning of any relationship to establish the upper hand.
To do that, they have to hide what they really need and want. I will tell you exactly what that is:
They need and desperately want to manipulate. Manipulation is their addiction.
They will always misdirect you into believing they want something else. Well-meaning advice books and blog articles will tell you that narcissists want sex, money, status, or power, but they’re wrong. Those are things that narcissists want to take, as a means to manipulate you. They can use them to manipulate your attention and your emotions if sex, money, status or power are what you value. Those are sideshows they use to distract you, evoke your emotions and keep you chasing elusive McGuffins.
Definition of a Narcissist: A person in an emotionally infantile state of arrested development.
Narcissists don’t value anything except the ability to manipulate and control others. This is because the narcissist is an emotional infant. What does an infant value? Although they want everything, they value nothing. Nothing, except control over their caretakers. The infant doesn’t think about why it needs to manipulate. It doesn’t have the cognitive process to reason why. The need to manipulate is inborn and it serves the helpless infant well. In response to its infantile behavior, its requirements are met with food and diaper changes. Any other need that arises is also addressed by those persons it can control. The infant feels safe and never has to anticipate any other needs except one: the need to manipulate. It’s the same with the narcissist.
The infant uses three basic methods to manipulate: charm, pity and rage. They will smile, cry or scream until their will becomes your will. Unlike the infant, the narcissist has developed additional strategies and methods to meet this one need.
First the narcissist is aware that you will expect adults to reciprocate when you meet their needs. So they won’t reveal what their needs are. They’ll always be vague about what they want and keep you guessing about what makes them happy. In fact, nothing makes them happy because no matter how much you’ve done for them, that was then, this is now. Even 5 minutes later, you still owe them. They’re entitled, like an infant.
If you can keep this one thing in mind, their manipulations won’t work anymore because you’ll always know what the narcissist really wants: to have you wrapped around their little finger.
But WAIT there’s MORE!
Yes, even having a slave is not enough for the narcissist. You must also be miserable in your servitude. That’s because the narcissist is pathologically envious. Like an infant, they covet everything that anyone else wants. I believe this derives from their lack of values. Like an infant, they don’t know what is valuable, what is good, or what they should want, so they simply want what others want and what others have.
Narcissists deduce what you want by the expression on your face when you win or lose. Your facial expression is the clue that you value something. Facial expressions are also the proof when they’ve succeeded in taking your valuables. This is what gives them a rush. If you’re still smiling, you still have something they need. By not allowing them to manipulate our facial expressions we take control. They won’t know what to target and they’ll default to money and attention as their goals.
The Mask of Sanity
They believe they must wear a mask to hide their own facial expressions so you can’t guess what they’re after. They have a paranoia that if you knew…you could manipulate them! Since they are constantly manipulating, they suspect others of trying to manipulate them. Because they’re disconnected from reality, it isn’t terribly difficult to manipulate them. Narcissists don’t know what’s real. They believe everything is fake news. Even when they know it’s not, well, it could be! The only thing real to them is the emotional expression on your face.
How Do You Divert the Narcissist?
Knowing that the narcissist wants our attention, our emotions and our facial expressions, we still have to consider the methods they will use to get them. They have no limits and they enjoy testing us for emotional reactions. What types of intermediate goals will they set to elicit an expression of loss from their victim? That depends on what they know we value. Usually, it’s money or love and affection. If you have a specific person or thing which you hold dear, then the narcissist will very likely know and home in on that.
The narcissist is a sadist. This is evident in their need to see people lose, to know when they’ve won. To deter the narcissist, we must convince them that our efforts will bring us greater benefits and happiness in the long run.
For example, one day my ex-psychopath was laying on the couch watching TV and complaining about a bad back. A commercial came on and he began screaming at me to get a credit card and order the back-exercise contraption being advertised on TV. He needed it NOW!
Of course it was a ploy. He was always looking for ways to get me to spend money so that he could continue to drive me into debt. It often involved emergencies.
At the time I thought he was just being needy. I never imagined his endgame, but I knew the machine wasn’t it. Obviously he was trying to make me miserable yet the extent of it eluded me. Years later I found out that he had been poisoning me with small amounts of strychnine which made my back spasm painfully and he never showed any concern or empathy. In his 180-rule logic, he was demanding that I respond immediately to his feigned back pain so that he would get all the empathy and I would get all the pain. This feels right to the infantile narcissist. It reflects their world view that mommy should give him milk and in return he gives her a dirty diaper. It’s the furthest thing from justice but that’s why it feels right to them.
The exercise machine he wanted was designed to be used lying down, placed between your raised thighs and then rocked so that it lifted your rear off the floor. I proposed that I could be the machine for him. He liked that idea and forgot all about ordering it. I sat with my back against his buttocks, his knees hooked over my shoulders, with my hands on his ankles. When I bent over in an ab crunch, his rear lifted off the floor. I asked him if he thought it was working. He said yes, it was. When I enthusiastically suggested we should do this every day, he agreed. Then I pointed out that while he was fixing his back I would be developing beach-worthy, six-pack abs. Immediately, he responded, “That’s enough. I don’t need it anymore.”
His aversion to seeing me benefit from my efforts, outweighed his desire to see me twisting into a pretzel to help him. That’s why psychopaths are easy to manipulate, they really don’t know what you value unless you tell them.
You can use this strategy in one of two ways. You could do as I did and suggest that you’ll benefit from their attack. The idea is to let them know that their manipulations will result in a transcendent benefit for ourselves. This will make them back off and look for something else to torture us with. Or else if the benefit is real, don’t say anything and reap your rewards. Then leave them sitting in the sand box playing their games alone while you get up and walk away to a better life.
Skylar, your insights are absolutely awesome. Thank you again.
Hi Skylar, long time since I’ve been here but here I am again! This time it’s my daughter who is involved with a narcissist ….I think. I have spent the past few years being unsure tbh. He’s so ‘nice’ & so passive. I actually thought he was on the spectrum but now after getting to know him & witnessing that ‘Niceness’ slip, I am leaning more towards Narcissism. I suppose what Im asking is how can you tell? Like indisputably?! He is either on the spectrum or a narcissist or maybe a bit of both. Whatever he is he’s very clever. I know I now sound like Ive answered my own question but Im still not sure. Quick history; my d met this guy at work & he ‘pursued’ her as his marriage was falling apart. He told my d that his ex had cheated on him & that he knew this because he had installed cctv without her knowing & recorded her bringing some man home. He has kids. No boundaries with them & the eldest is the golden child. He treats her like another wife; whispering and sniggering together ….it’s weird. But then he presents as so lovely. Verykind, loving, helps in the home, doesn’t try to be in charge. Is it possible for a narcissist to act passively?It doesn’t seem to fit. I mean my daughter is a ball breaker but it doesn’t matter what happens an theres been lots of drama rama, he quietly gets his own way; every time. I know its probably very difficult for you to answer definitively but I need help. There have been severe times when my d has threatened to leave because of all the drama & somehow he worms his way back in. Im exhausted with i all and so worried about my d and my gd who he is bringing up to be the new golden child it would seem …..
Hi Strongawoman! I’m so happy to hear from you, although I’m sorry about your daughters situation.
We’re often told that we can’t put a label on people we haven’t met. In fact, the American Psychiatric Association even made a rule called “The Goldwater Rule” which states that mental health practitioners are not allowed to give a professional opinion about public figures whom they have not examined in person, and from whom they have not obtained consent to discuss their mental health in public statements. This rule has protected many public figure narcissists from becoming poster children.
I pretty much go with the old adage, “If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…”
Yet, we don’t actually have to call it a duck. When we say it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, anyone can come to the conclusion that it probably is a duck or a duck impersonator.
The manipulative behaviors you describe are red flags. For me, the surveillance on his wife and the fact that he’s still married, are huge red flags.
You want indisputable proof that he is a narcissist, and you’ve provided indisputable descriptions of narcissistic behavior. The behavior is the problem, not the label, so I think you have your answer.
I think that many people are concerned about “over-diagnosing” narcissism because narcissistic behavior is so commonplace today. TV and social media shows us people who manipulate and who are attention addicts but also charming. It makes those traits seem normal to us. I think that narcissism is the “other” pandemic.
I guess the question is: What can you do about your daughter’s predicament? He isn’t going to change and she’s probably hooked on the drama by now.
Thanks for the reply Sky. I think I’m out of practice with the old adages; Sigh.
He’s not still married to the ex but yes, he did pursue my d when he still was married, albeit separated, did make me sit up & take notice, as it were although I wasn’t aware he had done this until she was ‘involved’ with him. Theres quite a lot of things I have found out recently tbh; my d has been economical with the truth as I tried to persuade her not to get involved with him early on as I had a bad feeling but she ignored me and went ahead and now it’s a big bloody mess. I know I can’t rescue her…..its just so upsetting to have to stand by and watch the saga. Thanks for listening & reminding me that if it walks like a duck etc its all you need to know really