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Nov 192012
 

Psychopaths lie all the time and it’s perplexing to us.  Dr. Morgan Scott Peck titled his book on human evil, People of the Lie, because one of the most common traits of a psychopath is that they lie.  They seem to be compulsive liars. Why do they lie so much? They lie about important things and about unimportant things. They will lie about what they had for lunch. They will lie about their names, where they live and what happened when they went into the 7-11 to buy cigarettes. They lie when the truth would actually seem to serve them better. Why lie about innocuous details such as what they had for lunch? Actually there is a method to their madness. The psychopath’s lies are usually 180 degrees the opposite of the truth. These lies serve the purpose of misdirection.

Covert Sabotage

Psychopaths know how to destroy a person by covertly sabotaging every aspect of their lives. Their goal is to make their victim perceive life as hopeless and unfair. psychopaths lie The victim had the audacity to be happy and the psychopath intends to change that.  Toward this end, psychopaths will learn all of your vulnerabilities, all of your values, everything you care about, all the things which bring pleasure to your daily life and everything that you feel an emotional attachment to. Then the psychopath will surreptitiously sabotage those things.

It might be your favorite TV show, he will make sure you never get to watch it. It might be getting the garbage out to the curb each week, she will make sure you forget by calling to distract you. Your favorite food will be poisoned and you begin to think you’ve developed a food allergy to it. Your favorite cat will get killed after you prayed to God to always keep him safe because you loved him so much. If you think your car is safe because you keep it well maintained, he will cut your brake lines. You will never get that promotion, instead you will quit or be fired because you are too sick from being poisoned to actually make it to work. If you’ve always been good with managing your money, he will arrange emergencies that cost you more than you can afford. Your friends and family may abandon you after he spreads lies about you to them, then you become isolated except for the ever present psychopath. In other words, the psychopath will make sure you never feel secure, you never feel blessed, and you never get what you hoped for.

This covert aggression forms the backdrop of your life. It builds a level of constant stress in your body so that the psychopath’s other machinations will be even more effective. Against this back drop of perpetual disappointment, the psychopath’s small acts of kindness stand out in stark relief, it’s what you look forward to daily. You begin to rely on him to make your life feel meaningful. He becomes your anchor in the storm. But he alternates kindness with cruelty. The psychopath giveth and the psychopath taketh away. Now he has control over your reality. His craving for complete power over life and death has only just begun to be satisfied. In the end, he wants to know if he can manipulate you into the despair that makes you consider taking your own life.

Disinformation : 180 Degrees the Opposite of the Truth

Because they use every single bit of information they learn about us, to control us, they assume that everyone else, is doing that same thing. They think we would poison their favorite food and cut their brake lines. After all, if they think that way, doesn’t everyone? When psychopaths lie, they are protecting themselves from being known and being vulnerable.   All psychopaths are paranoid.  One psychopath I know, fears and hates Google  with a passion. He knows Google is collecting information on him. I can’t imagine what he thinks Google is planning to do to him! Instead of Google, he uses Duckduckgo as his search engine. In addition to using Duckduckgo, psychopaths handle their paranoia by giving disinformation at every opportunity. That disinformation will generally point in the 180 degree opposite direction to the truth and it creates their mask. There is only one thing that a psychopath really values and that is, his or her mask.  Because most people can’t imagine lying about everything that they are, this mask enables psychopaths to con and manipulate, to cheat and to steal, even to kill and get away with it because nobody ever imagined what they were really like. They view life as a game to win and they want to win by lying, cheating and manipulating.

Slime

There are times when a psychopath lies and it’s painfully obvious. You might think that they would feel shame to be caught in a lie.  They don’t. Instead, we  feel embarrassed for them.  When we’re faced with their naked lies, we avert our eyes to avoid being slimed with their shame.  The psychopath doesn’t care, as long as we don’t question their version of reality.

Turning the Table on the Psychopath

It’s ironic that empathic people trust the psychopath because we can’t imagine being so duplicitous. Yet the psychopath, who relies on our trust and naivety, still feels paranoia, thinking that we will do unto them as they would do unto us.  The psychopath actually has good reason to feel this way. He or she, knows that you might find out what they really are. You might realize that everything they’ve ever presented to you was a malicious lie. They believe that people will want revenge or will try to hold them responsible for their evil deeds. For psychopaths, that’s a very good reason to keep their identities, locations , “friends” and habits, secret from you.

In the past, psychopaths have gotten away with evil by playing this game of lies, deceit and manipulation. Most of us observed some aspects of it, but didn’t know what it meant. Now the tide is turning. As knowledge of psychopaths and their machinations becomes more common, the lies that once hid these abusers, now reveal them. I wonder where they will hide next?

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  198 Responses to “Why Do Psychopaths Lie?”

  1. Here’s a website I lit upon during a search for psychopathy from the perspective of the chakra and energy system:

    http://fullpermissionliving.blogspot.com/2008/08/psychopathic-character-structure.html

    I was thinking to myself about the possibility that psychopaths are busy “working” your front chakras while they’re sneaking up from behind to drain your rear chakras, then it’s “gotcha!” There’s truth to those sayings, “back stabbers,” and “watch your back.” I’m sure there are some good ways to clean, strengthen and protect, i.e., watch our own backs, in an energetic sense. Aromatherapy, oils, visualizations, yoga, etc. There are a number of articles on the energetic cutting of cords, dissolving attachments, some good, some not. Those thoughts came to me after I read the NVS article from the author’s very open-minded perspective on spirituality and alternative approaches to healing.

    I hope you feel better soon, Dorothy, that “cottony” head feeling doesn’t sound comfortable.

    • Ancient heart,
      Those character structures were first described by Alexander Lowen and William Reich. I think they are excellent.
      Here is a website that describes all the different characters, it’s very interesting: http://www.reichandlowentherapy.org/Content/Character/Overview/general_character.html
      The psychopathic character structure described my spath to a TEE. His body structure is exactly as described, or at least it was when we met. HUGE head and neck, broad shoulders, slim waist and hips, small feet. Lowen and Reich call the psychopathic structure, “the inspirer”, they don’t use the psychiatric terms we are used to.

      I don’t think I had read the part about the chakras before, so that was new information. I’ll have to spend some time on that site.
      You are keeping me BUSY!!! But I do appreciate the wealth of information you share with us!

      • Skylar, I’m sort of intuiting out loud here and am jumping around a lot, so please excuse that LOL! Thank you for the link to the Reich and Lowen website, I know that’s going to be an awesome one. I read “The Murder Of Christ” by Reich, wow wow wow!! Another man too far ahead of the times. I have Lowen’s book on Bioenergetics but haven’t got to it yet. I’m a reading, absorbing fool these days. I need to tone down my excitement, I think!

        The chakra source could be a helpful perspective for those interested. I had to agree with the commenters on the fullpermissions blog, however, who know from experience that pscychopaths are untreatable.

        Yep, the physical description is another bulls-eye. That alone can be a huge help to spot psychos on a day to day basis in life. It described one of my exes perfectly, and as for the psycho benefactor I’ve only seen a handful of pics of her on the Internet and it fits her too – not only that but how she anonymously posted material on the Internet and the descriptions she gave, really sick and bizarre, and lots of references to spinning heads, and head-related violence.

        Awesome link, thank you Skylar. I love that NVS website too :)

        I’ll tone down my posts and linking stuff, I need to take a chill pill LOL! See what you did HA HA, you made me feel better, shame on you LOL!

        • OMG NO, don’t tone down your links, I LOVE your links! I just have to find time to absorb all that information.
          I also like how you are intuiting and making unexpected connections, that’s what I do too. It’s the only way to “organize” the information because it can’t just be memorized, it has to be integrated on a deeper level for it to be of use. After all, we aren’t spaths, if we were, we would just memorize stuff and parrot it back.

          • LOL, speaking of parroting, it looks like the author of the fullpermissions blog may have done a little plagiarizing of the Reich and Lowen material, some of it’s word-for-word. Now I wonder if the other material was “borrowed” too. The chakra info could be legit, just not his. Another banana-stealing monkey LOL!

            I’m still absorbing stuff too, there’s so much, and it comes in waves, it seems. One insight rolls into another, and so on. I’ll say for sure, I haven’t felt better in years, Skylar. You created a garden here with nourishing soil and sunshine, lovingly watered, and carefully tended. You’ve helped me tremendously. Thank you.

          • Ancient Heart,
            you are so welcome. I’m glad you arrived to join our army of spathinators! lol!
            Your links to http://narcissisticbehavior.net/category/narcissistic-victim-syndrome-from-a-shamanic-perspective
            were extremely interesting. I clicked on the “About” page and realized that I had been on her site before. Yet I don’t remember her insights being as “insightful” before. It’s because I wasn’t ready. The information does come in waves and we have to be prepared for it.

            You will find that things which didn’t resonate too much with you the first time, become so much more important after other information has been absorbed.
            Have you read this?
            http://narcissisticbehavior.net/category/is-there-a-relation-between-narcissism-and-shame

            Some of her wording may confuse. Try substituting the words “good shame” with “humility”. Then it makes more sense.

            I’ve found that there is a communication problem that we have to overcome too.

        • Sky, Ancient……Spath x has a large head and the rest except he didn’t have small feet but he was tallish, 6’1/ size 12 feets. That sounds normal..yes? But his head was rather large. Slim hips, he had kind of a large belly, fairly broad shoulders.
          Must read. I’m behind!

          • Dorothy,
            I’m certain that my spath was a pure, primary spath. Lowen and Reich wouldn’t have attributed any other PD’s to him.
            That is why his body conformed precisely to the “inspirer” shape.

            I don’t think that most people will conform to any of these shapes. But he does fit perfectly to the inspirer.

            BTW, it is thought that William Reich was an “inspirer” himself.

            Just goes to show that you can learn more about spaths from spaths. that is, if you survive.

      • Spath was incredibly ” intuitive “. He could read me very well, but what he did with that, where HE took what he read was retardedly off base sometimes. Like it went through his Spath filter and got all bungled up. Lol!

        “The intuitive capacities of the Inspirer are formidable, with very strong abilities to read what is going on inside of other people, although the understanding of the meaning of what is going on is often very distorted. The inspirer is not hampered by the self-absorption of most other pre-oedipal characters, and therefore is able to better pay attention to others in real time. This can contribute to the seductiveness that is often noted.”

        That is from Skylar’ link above.

        • Whoever thought up the word “inspirer” to describe a psychopath must be delusional. Good grief.

          • Ancient Heart,
            I disagree, it is spot on.
            The spath I lived with looked like a homeless man.
            Never bathed, horrible teeth, wore rags. I’m not kidding.
            The cars he drove…ugh. First an old truck, then a pinto, then … I’m trying to remember… anyways now he always drives a Geo Metro.

            But as he climbs out of his old trashy cars, he climbs into a helicopter and flies like the devil himself. He has conned millionaires and billionaires and killed some of them. He can inspire you to believe whatever he believes because he is EXACTLY like peter pan.

            Oh yeah, btw, if you want to know ALL about spaths, read the story Peter Pan (You have to BELIEVE, Wendy!! Then you can fly!) and THEN read about the author. OMG, the man was a pedophile and a total spath. Horrific. I personally believe that he killed the parents of the children he adopted, just so he could have the children. ugh. it gives me shivers.

            There was a book written about him recently, (the author of Peter Pan) and some reviews of that. That’s where you need to go for the information.

            THEY ARE ALL ALIKE.

            EDIT: BTW, the book “Peter Pan” was originally titled, “The Boy Who Hated Mothers.” Need I say more? I think not.

          • OMG!! I was just looking at some images of Peter Pan and he kind of has a large head!! :shock:

            Here’s a link
            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/donotmigrate/3556421/How-bad-was-J.M.-Barrie.html

      • What an interesting site Skylar! Overload!!

    • Do people who have been around a psychopath too long develop the lying habit too? I am asking because i grew up with it . had a friend in psychology that met my dad and said he was sure dad was NPD.I am confused because my mother was also a pathological liar (as is my brother) Is that something one can pick up like a bad habit?Maybe they were all psychopaths? that seems unlikely

      OTOH I wish i could find the article that was talking about how one relatively “normal” person could be born into a nest of psychopaths. That might have been skylar.

      Was looking at the descriptions on Ancient hearts link
      (BTW i think “Hands Of Light” has a character structure chart that is similar. The other thing i am looking at is a body encyclopedia by Lisbeth Archer which is supposed to map the body to psychological function)
      Anyway, in looking at the list of early environmental factors, i have a number of those, but i don’t exhibit the modes of mind or
      psychological functioning with any degree of consistency.( to be honest i read them out loud to my husband because he is fairly objective) I do recognize some of the tendencies crop up occasionally though, so maybe it IS something learned?

      • Dances,
        I don’t think pathological lying is contagious. My spath lied constantly. It was a source of embarrassment to me. He would ask me to lie for him too. I would try, but I’m so bad at it, that I would end up spilling the truth by accident because I’d forget that I was supposed to lie. It got to the point where I stopped socializing because I couldn’t keep the lies straight and it was easier to just avoid his friends. Seriously. That was a huge red flag and I was totally clueless about it.

        But I do know a husband and wife who both lie. One is a narcissist and tells obvious tall tales. I doubt there is anyone who believes those lies. The other spouse lies covertly. I was amazed when I finally realized how much and how WELL this person lies.

  2. Skylar, I hope he will someday be caught. Many psychopaths eventually trip themselves up.

    That news about the reality behind the Peter Pan story and the adopted children is so chilling.

    Dorothy, by the way, as much as I like that NVS syndrome website, with regard to the author discussing shamanism, I’m all for natural and alternative approaches to recovery but there are a ton of land mines when it comes to new age stuff, often posing as ancient techniques, etc. Keeping your feet on the ground, literally, and using the power you inherently possess is your best ally. A grounded person is a lot tougher to deceive.

    • I hear you AncientOne. I haven’t made any phone calls…..YET! Lol
      I didn’t have a name for them yet but I have defiantly seen the Spath potential in the new age arena. I doubt that any arena is a safety zone.

      I feel much more grounded today….less shaky sp? I used to do just fine on Prozac but I was also drinking when I was on it the last time. I’m very curious to maybe get the levels tested that Janov talks about. It would make sense that with alcohol induce brain issues, something could be out of wack up there. Maybe with the menopause the Prozac is affecting my differently than it used to and also the no alcohol factor which always affected me more like a stimulant than a depressant.

      Skylar, I had a huge déjàvu sp thing when I read what you wrote about the Peter Pan story and author. OMG! That is amazing!! I’d love to read more about that.

      Don’t you wonder…..people who are DRIVEN and obsessed with having children….they are probably more desperate for a poison container? Children are perfect because they can’t get away and are dependent on you. And vulnerable.

      Ok, I’m ready…..speaking of tripping themselves up……spaths life circumstances right now are ripe for it. Ill try to be brief but hit all the high points.
      He is in bankruptcy ( on all levels, LOL)
      He is an alcoholic and commonly drinks and drives and with open container.
      He lives with his mother in the basement, of course.
      His mother owns ” his” car which used to belong to his dead father.
      As far as I know, it is in her name and she carries the insurance on it, at least the insurance card I’ve seen has her name on it.
      So……if something were to happen involving another vehicle and he had been drinking or was at fault period, his ### and her ### could be up the proverbial creek in a major major way.
      My understanding is that this arrangement is NOT ok with insurance companies and spaths poopie diapers could make quite mess for her and leave both of them covered in ####. That’s only the tip of the iceberg as there are two other siblings who would freak!!
      And then there is the future care of Mama Spath.
      I will make this clear…..I’m not wanting anyone to get seriously injured…….just whatever it takes to leave Mama Spath holding the diaper bag.
      Right now he thinks he’s got it made and I was just something that was either being used for ” other things” ( I mean..how much time can a man spend with their mother?)
      And the physical……. OR I was being groomed as the next diaper bag holder.

      Anyhow, there are so many directions his life could take a big diaper dump right now, I love it! OR he could “hook up” with someone who is still fertile and impregnate them. I think this is the only way he has managed to keep a woman in his past for longer than a year, max. But doesn’t that come at a cost?

      • His mommy will wipe his ### no matter what happens, Dorothy.

        Have you checked out any co-dependent support groups? Similar to AA type groups, people working on similar issues and supporting one another can be really fulfilling.

        • Not yet AncientHeart. Once I get thought tis phase I think that may be the way to go though. Not sure about meeting type things though, I’m too isolated so it would be good in that respect.

    • Hello Everyone, This is my first comment here. I have read so much on this site, since I found it. I chose my online name be-cause I feel we are soulsister’s. Telling each others stories with slight variations. Words would not express how much this site has informed and helped me. I am a SURVIVOR of over 30 yrs with an intra-species predator. So I understand the struggles that come from an encounter with these beasts. Thanks to all my beautiful sisters, if you were not, he would not have victimized you! Like the pearl analogy you will come through this stronger and shine with the special light of wisdom!

  3. Skylar, yes, the word humility does seem a better fit to me too for the concept of “healthy shame” in that article.

    I’ve yet to read anything about the author of Peter Pan, I don’t have the stomach for it at the moment. Dorothy, thanks for putting up the link, I’ll check it out soon.

  4. I just finished the article Dorothy provided about the Peter Pan author, and that’s as far as I want to venture into that dark being. I concur with you Skylar, that he could well have murdered the boys’ parents. His obsession with them- Michael, in particular – may have contributed to Michael’s suicide. What the reporter intuited seemed to agree with you when he remarked that nearly everyone around Barrie managed to die. The original title of the book is a giveaway, isn’t it? If it walks like a duck….

    • Ancient Heart, that is the article that I had read too. Thank you, Dorothy for posting the link.

      Horrific isn’t it, that they hide right under our noses and nobody would suspect that Peter Pan is written by a spath who is writing about himself. It was a TELL!

      We can learn so much about spaths just by listening to them talk. We just have to be aware that they are spaths and we have to be careful about getting infected/slimed.

      The author of “Political Ponerology” said that to study spaths, we need to practice “psychological hygiene” but I’m still not sure how that’s done.

      The story of Peter Pan has all the elements of a man who wouldn’t grow up and goes around stealing little girls from their bedroom windows. He will use the little girl only until she grows up and then he doesn’t want her anymore. But interestingly, in the sequels, Wendy’s daughter and I think also her granddaughter, go off to have adventures with Peter. Something about the way it was stated, indicated to me that there had been some generational transfer of the slime from Wendy to her offspring and that Barrie was aware of how child molestation “transfers slime” to the entire family.

      • I just read this and I’m really starting to GET IT!! In this one I can clearly see Spath described perfectly.
        http://narcissisticbehavior.net/category/what-exactly-is-narcissism-explaining-the-many-facets-of-narcissism

        I also read the shame one but that one confuses me. I seem to have a real block with the word shame. It’s hard to discribe but I just don’t seem to be able to get the concept quite yet.

      • The idea that the Disney movie was so popular and millions of children have watched it just makes me sick. The fairy tale from Hell.

        • It’s pretty sick alright. It’s interesting though……how many people who are/ were held in such high esteem are/ were actually sickos?
          I know that at least in my parents generation, people were valued and looked up to for their outward appearance and what they DID, not who they ARE,,
          Seems like the truth of a lot of things that have been hidden are coming to light.
          Did you notice Barrie’s spathy head?

          • I didn’t notice anything peculiar about the head or facial features.

            I watched some comedy videos last night to de-slime after I read about Mr. Peter Pan LOL.

        • Sorry you got slimed, Ancient Heart. I just wanted to share the Peter Pan thing because I think there is a goldmine of information there about predators and how to recognize them.

          That article was written before Sandusky’s debacle, so the author didn’t have anything to compare him to. She said that, on the one hand, he was benevolent to children’s orphanages…. ummm, right… we all know about that kind of “benevolence”.

          Then there was the recent disclosure of that British comedian, what’s his name, who had a children’s tv show and was molesting kids every day, until he died.

          They look for ways to attract children and to appear 180° opposite of what they are. sooo disgusting and they’re all the same.

          • I’m glad you shared the truth behind the Peter Pan story, Skylar, and I’d rather know than not know any day of the week. Blinders are a dangerous thing to wear.

            Yes, that purported benevolence seems to be a hallmark mask for psychopaths. I discovered that the hard way when I became involved with the “benevolents” in animal welfare which is infested with psychopaths. Orphaned animals are ideal victims for both “benevolent” donors and “benevolent” facilities to exploit, hoard, torture, and humiliate, and behind the charitable acts in many instances are all manner of other criminal and deviant activities as well, such as #####graphy, drug trafficking, pedophilia, and money laundering. It’s big business.

            The paedophile you referred to was Jimmy Savile. And the authorities knew all along but conveniently managed to “expose” the truth 20 years after his death, and only because so many victims refused to be silenced. Animals have it much worse, I’m afraid, they have been the most commonly used and societally acceptable scapegoats and sacrificial victims for as long as man has been around.

        • I don’t want to say anything negative, but Disney is complicite with the governments MKUltra mind control program. This is a very dark and shocking truth. I would not advise anyone who is easily affected by evil to research this information. But if you watch Cathy O’Brien’s videos, on Utube and see what she went through and who she is now, you will see an overcomer. Do not let these demons take your soul, it is what they want, most of all. They want to break you, so they can own you, dead or alive. Take your power back, it is us against them, you will stronger for it in the end.

  5. I love the inspirations widget you made, Skylar. I’d like to add another poem if you think it’s appropriate: “Do Good Anyway,” by Mother Theresa

    People are often unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered.
    Forgive them anyway.

    If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish ulterior motives.
    Be kind anyway.

    If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies.
    Succeed anyway.

    If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you.
    Be honest and frank anyway.

    What you may spend years building, someone may destroy overnight.
    Build anyway.

    If you find serenity and happiness, people may be jealous.
    Be happy anyway.

    The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow.
    Do good anyway.

    Give the best you have, and it may never be enough.
    Do your best anyway.

    You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God.
    It was never between you and them anyway.

    by Mother Theresa

    • Ancient Heart,
      my reply went off into cyberspace.
      I’ll try again.
      Thank you so much for that beautiful inspiration.
      I put it into the column.

      It’s perfect.
      xxxxoooo

      • That poem has been very close to my heart. If it’s too long to fit in the widget space, I’m happy to share it here just the same. Thank you, Skylar. xxxxoooo coming back to you :)

        • It took some tweaking but I made it fit.
          When we study a dark subject like human evil, we need to balance it out with some hope and positive thoughts! I think that’s part of psychological hygiene.

          • That’s about as close to a sensible description as it gets and probably what the author of Political Ponerology meant by “psychological hygiene.” Absolutely. One way I like to balance the light and dark is to watch Robin Williams videos, or comedies.

            The psychopath that targeted me beginning in 2007 has no sense of humor. I didn’t notice it for quite awhile. When someone only communicates by email, it’s so easy for them to hide and distort just about everything.

            I always have watched my animals’ responses to people because they’re often far better judges of people, and excellent teachers in that respect too. The psychopath was nowhere near us, just a spook “from afar” on the Internet. Had she ever visited in person – which she had no intention of ever doing – I’m certain the hairs on my neck would have stood up.

            Psychopath #2 I did meet in person, and he was a very convincing act, but the animals he was alleging to be a devoted caretaker for gave him away within hours of meeting him. He knew immediately I was onto him. They have a sixth sense when their act isn’t working, so his acts of covert agression were quick to manifest: I witnessed untold nightmares of animal cruelty; he poisoned a horse and then claimed it became mysteriously ill, denied the animal any care and then forced me to watch him shoot it and attempt to bury the horse alive. The only thing that forced him to shoot the horse and end its life was my screaming at the top of my lungs to alert neighbors so they would hopefully contact the police. That was the only reason he changed his mind to try to bury the horse alive in front of me. He pulled the gaslighting, crazy making behavior, and projecting relentlessly. He tampered with my vehicles on two occasions to try to arrange an “accident,” and he stole all of my property, used the cops to trespass me and then claimed I donated all of my property him. The police protect him and treat him as the victim, naturally. Another woman was victimized the exact same way; she sued him but had lost most everything because he had already killed, sold or destroyed most of her property by the time it got to court.

            He is a homosexual and paedophile, and there are indications he engages in acts of ##########. He has an army of cover in the form of political connections and his nonprofit has been a money mule for laundering.

            Psychopath 1 and 2 have been teamed up for quite awhile. And as you said, they are all the same. They truly are.

          • Ancient Heart,
            what a horrific trauma to endure. If I wasn’t familiar with spaths, it would be too much to believe, but I DO know how they operate. Their intent is to traumatize, to terrorize. I’m so sorry that you and your animals had to experience that. Of course they work in teams, they are cowards. That’s why it’s so important not to go up against one unless you have a bigger, badder, team of your own.

            It’s a revelation when we figure out that they don’t understand humor, isn’t it? My ex-spath would frequently say, “I just don’t understand the comic strips. They don’t make me laugh.” Well of course not, nobody is dying in them.

            The trojan horse spath could not figure out that “The Colbert Report” wasn’t really about a right-wing nut, but actually a parody of Bill O’Reilly. Trojan Horse LOVED Stephen Colbert until I explained it to him. Then he no longer watched it. ROTFLMAO. Spaths are comic relief in themselves, if you look at it from the right perspective. But it’s not always easy, because of the murder and mayhem they cause.

          • OMG Ancientheart……:shock:
            What a horrendous story. Again, as always, I’m like…WTF?
            It’s just insanely depressing and disturbing that people can be this way. I’m sorry you have been through that type of horror.

          • This was from a review on Amazon of one of Donnas books……
            “The darkness comes from their own soul. It is a soul already interracting
            with realms inhabited by demons.”
            I should probably reference the passage but I’m not sure how.

  6. Dorothy, I recall a few paranormal experiences as a child, and have had numerous clairvoyant and telepathic experiences with animals, as well as met a couple of individuals who were extremely clairvoyant and undeniably authentic. It’s “woo woo” stuff, one could say, but when it’s grounded in real life experience it’s actually just part of normal life. I certainly don’t believe in aliens, though. There’s so much “woo woo” that’s meant to try to unground people, and that’s psychopath-speak. I am learning….

    I’ve been reading from Michio Kushi’s book on macrobiotics, and it seems to me that psychopaths are both extreme yang – materialism/ego and extreme yin – death – as their polarized state, and there’s “nobody home” in the middle, whereas most of us exist or at least do our best to exist, i.e., toward a balanced and harmonious state. Check out the “man in the middle” description by wikipedia, doesn’t it make sense about how a psychopath operates?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-in-the-middle_attack

    As for whether they are ghosts or earthbound souls, if there is such a thing, from the perspective of “Wherever you go, you take yourself with you,” I figure that applies to death too. If psychopaths don’t have spooks attached to them already, they probably do turn into spooks after they die. I think that’s why some ancient cultures were so particular about how the dead were buried. Many burned their dead and their belongings too so the dead wouldn’t try to stick around. Maybe there’s truth to that, I don’t know.

    I’ve never had any personal experience with earthbound souls, but I know someone who has. She and her husband are very pragmatic and nonsensical. Their rented house was “visited” regularly by the former owner who lost his home and land to another buyer who schemed him out of it. The soul wasn’t obnoxious, they said, and they never saw an apparition of him, they just heard him come in the door every evening and wipe his boots, then walk across the living room and kitchen floor – at the same time every day for something like two years.

    • Edit to add: I said I was boycotting wikipedia awhile back, I have to eat my words now and shame myself for being a hypocrit :-?

    • Ancient Heart,
      the man in the middle article does describe the spath experience. The example of rewarding the minions with porn, is SPOT on. I know at least one minion who was rewarded that way. The minions are simple and the spath can read their simple little minds, so he knows what will lure them into doing their bidding.
      Furthermore, he knows that a porn addict will make a perfect minion. Unlike the empath, the spath has no need or desire to believe that everyone has some good in them. He knows that once he has identified a porn addict, he has a willing participant in whatever shameful behavior he suggests. It’s part and parcel with porn/sex/shame addiction. To believe anything else is to live in denial.

      Thanks for that example, it solidified my perception of this part of the spath’s diabolical manipulations.

      • The man in the middle concept, do you think that it can represent in some metaphoric way the psychopath’s early history and subsequent unconscious drive to control, dominate, humiliate and annihilate each parent, esp. the mother, i.e., an Oedipal drive from Hell?

        Yes, that experience was extremely traumatic, and he tried to force me to participate. I should have written about this in the area you provided for us to tell our stories and will write further about it in that area when I can stomach pulling up the memories.

        • Psychopaths always triangulate people. They like manipulate two other people against each other, so they can watch the drama ensue and then slither away, leaving the hurt and the pain to continue. It might be true that they learned this behavior from manipulating their parents against each other. On the other hand, I know a little boy who imitates his father’s manipulation of the boy’s mother.

          Girard’s theory is that a child will choose one parent to be a model and the other parent is the model’s prized object. The child wants to BECOME the model and this is done by taking the object.

          It’s very similar to Freud’s Oedipal complex, but Girard says that Freud forgot to finish his theory. In other words, a boy doesn’t just want to marry his mother, he wants to BECOME his father.

          I understand how difficult it is to discuss your story. I also can only talk about my trauma, in little pieces. Anything more and it’s too much like reliving it.

          • I would like to get Girard’s books in the near future. I didn’t know he completed the Oedipal theory beyond Freud’s. He definitely hit the bulls-eye.

          • Ancient Heart,

            According to Freud, the child has an innate sexual desire towards the mother, and eventually, discovers that the father is an obstacle to the satisfaction of that desire. Girard, on the other hand, reinterprets the Oedipus Complex in terms of mimetic desire: the child becomes identified with his father and imitates him. But, inasmuch as he imitates his father, the child imitates the sexual desire for his mother. Then, his father becomes his model and rival, and that explains the ambivalent feelings so characteristic of the Oedipus Complex.

            This is a pretty good paper on GT, I’ll add a link to the blog roll.

            Edit: whoops! the link didn’t go through. Here it is:
            http://www.iep.utm.edu/girard/
            It’s also added to the blog roll under Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy.

            Edit again: geez, I linked to the last section of the URL. OK, I fixed it again, to go to the top now!
            forgive my incompetence… please.

    • Ancientheart, the way I inturpreted the quote I posted is that by way of their dark choices, they have exposed their souls to the realm of demons. I have heard that when a person drinks or does drugs, and I would imagine this applies to any behavior from
      ” the dark side”….. That they create a hole in their aura, and it leaves them open. Evil spirits can enter their energy field, etc. kind of interesting that they call alcohol spirits.
      Too woo-woo?

      • Dorothy,
        Shame is the driving force of the spath. Shame really feels horrible but I suppose a shame that is so repressed as that of the spath, must feel like something demonic. I know that my ex-spath thought he was possessed. He would stay up all night listening to the Art Bell show on the radio, whenever the exorcist, Father Malachi Martin was being interviewed. Both my spath sister and brother have told me that they heard and saw demons. I guess that’s what a human being perceives when they are so disconnected from reality.

        • The absence of love seems to be the great disconnector to reality. I can’t fathom how any human being can be in such a state, when our entire universe and reality is created and perpetuated by love. One would have to be possessed and by all intents and purposes insane to be that “out of it!”

          • Ancientheart….is there not also a lot of destruction in the universe as well though? We just don’t judge it as good and bad. Even animals do some weird stuff that could be
            construed as evil. I can’t think of an example off the top of my head but it seems like I’ve seen things in shows that made me go…..hum……

        • Ex spath listened to NPR at concert loudness ALL THE TIME in his car when he was alone. Not for the music though. He liked the yammering. WTF?
          Quite honestly I really do think he may have had Aspergers and that makes me so very sad. He seemed so lonely and I think that was behind his drinking. I can’t tell you how badly I wanted to love that man and how much I thought I did love him…….
          I don’t know what to think about that now. I wish this was as black and white as it seems to be for a lot of people but its not for me.
          If I could have anything in the world right now……anything I wanted…..what I would ask for is to know the absolute truth about him and his feelings and his intentions towards me.
          It is mental torture! He didn’t rip me off or do a lot of the things that have happened to you two and a lot of others.

          So I dropped all his things and gifts he had given me and basically anything that had any tie to him what so ever, dropped it all off in Mama Spaths yard today. I know he’s going to be pissed but that is my message to him…..here’s your #### and everything that has to do with you because you are someone that I never knew and I don’t want it. It means nothing to me having come from someone I don’t feel safe with or loved by. YOU haul it to the dump if you want.
          I feels good to have it gone and I hope I didn’t miss anything. If so, it’s getting pitched.
          I guess this longing I have towards him, something that is bad for me, is no different than someone who has quit drinking longing for a drink? Like I said…..I wish I knew the truth and I don’t think I ever did or would get that from him.

      • The “woo woo” could well be true. I had an experience in my early 20’s, just after that dark-night-of-the-soul breakdown. Several months later I started drinking like a fish (I wasn’t out of the woods yet LOL). I snapped myself out of it thankfully, but during the time I was detoxing I remember “seeing” a pile of snakes, and it took several days before those images went away entirely. And they were there when I my eyes were open or closed during these few days of cleaning my act up.

        I think there are vibrational energies in both lighter and darker aspects that are “real” in their own dimension. I like seeing life and Nature just as it is. I think when we get off the track we might experience higher or lower vibrational energies, but that a good fat portion of that stuff is dreamed up by our own minds and beliefs. Our brains are tricky little machines.

        Jeez, I’ve had a really, really weird life LOL!

        • There is just SO much we don’t ” know” ..I creates this odd feeling of excitement in me but at the same time I feel very anxious. Uneasy I guess. I get the same feeling when I star gaze or read about the universe…..it’s fascinating yet incomprehensible at the same time and that feels frustrating to me. Uh oh….I got that same feeling with Spath x, to be honest. Such a strong pull towards danger. He fascinated me and repulsed me and hurt me. Moth to a flame.

          • I know what you mean Dorothy. It’s like the feeling of having something on the tip of your tongue but you can’t quite say it. I think it’s the right brain grasping a concept but being unable to articulate it.

          • Yes Skylar…..something just out of reach that you want really badly but just can’t get to it!! Weird!!

    • Ancientheart…..it seems to me, from what I’ve observed and heard, true animal people tend to be more tuned in, intuitive, clairvoyant, etc…they tend to pay attention, be more present, etc.

      That example about the man in the middle made my brain hurt, LOL!

      • I think it’s true, Dorothy, and I have a great experience with animals – it’s a mutual win-win of empathy and no people BS. Animals don’t lie and they don’t tolerate lying. It’s the world between humans and animals the way it was meant to be, if people will ever stop being so arrogant and pay attention to how animals are in many ways far superior to us. They’ve been on the Earth a hell of a lot longer too.

        I don’t have good people sense at all sometimes, and other times I can pick up too much and not only does it makes them really squeamish LOL but then I become their proverbial toilet, so I tend to lead a very quiet life with very little socializing. I didn’t realize I was so porous and what was going on until I was in my 30’s.

        With the psychopath #1 incident, I never met her and she only would communicate by email, so (a) I didn’t have any context or reality to draw from other than what she was scripting, (b) I didn’t have a clue anyone could be that sick, that cunning, and that evil, and (c) I didn’t pay attention to some of the uncomfortable feelings I had here and there, which is my own fault.

        If there is a Hell, she will never leave it after she dies. She’ll take herself with her, so Hell already has a spot reserved.

        • Ancientheart……Spath was not an ” animal person “. My animals LOVED him. I think he “liked” them but I don’t think he loved them. He would always look at me weirdly when I had my dog on my lap and was loving on her..he’d say, aren’t the two of you cute……..
          But there was something behind his words, something else going on in Spathland. Jealousy or envy are the first words that come to mind but I’m not sure. Maybe disdain. In the WTF box it goes!?

          • If you’re very bonded with your animals, they may have simply been trying to help you because they knew you wanted him to reciprocate some genuine love. I think that’s very possible. Your dogs could have been saying “Hey Spath! Wake up! Helloooooooo!!! Any heart in there?”
            They tried, Dorothy. I’m sure they really gave it their best, and they tried because they love you.

            .

          • I think that many times, animals notice a “difference” in a person, but unless they are picking up on imminent evil intent, they won’t really know what to think of it.

            I was watching a movie about multiple personality disorder and a man’s dog could always tell when he had reverted to the “child personality”, even though the man showed no outward signs. The “adult personality” did not allow the dog in the living room, but the “child” did, so the dog knew exactly when to enter and when to exit. lol!

            In that case, the dog knew exactly what to think of it.

          • Ancientheart……that made me tear up. Yes, they were trying to show him…..watch us Spath…..this is how. You can do it! He couldn’t. So so so sad that makes me, for me and for him.
            I’m so fortunate to have the love of my critters.

  7. I look forward to reading it when you add it, Skylar.

  8. That dog must have a challenging life, having a multiple-personality caretaker.

    I have a book by two female psychologists who utilize horses at their ranch to work with clients, and they described one psychopathic client and how their horses reacted to him; some of their horses simply shunned the psychopath, and other horses reached out and tried to take a chunk out of him.

    I observed psychopath #2 with animals, and they either act mechanically when dealing with him or are unresponsive or shy from him – that infuriates him but he puts on a kind act in front of people to hide the fact that he has zero patience or empathy for them. He favors select animals and horridly mistreats others, the latter always covertly. He’s had bones broken by them due to his own mishandling :).

    • My exspath pretended to love cats. I did notice that he abandoned 2 cats when they were no longer convenient to him, but I couldn’t reconcile that with the apparent love he showed my cats. The cats seemed to love him. All except one.

      OK, so here’s MY “woowoo” for the day: This cat, Jasper, I got the distinct impression that he was the reincarnation of our dog, Coal. He behaved just like Coal had.

      Jasper was terrified of the spath. He would only allow him to hold him when I was close by. But Coal had never been that way. It made no sense to me.

      It was after I left him that I put 2 and 2 together: spath had beat Coal and Jasper remembered his past life. All this made sense when I watched Coal cowering from the spath when the spath was in a near collision in our car. Even though spath showed no anger, Coal felt the brain waves which he recognized proceeded earlier beatings. And Jasper remembered it all.

      • Skylar, I’ve often wondered whether we all recycle/reincarnate, and if so, why. My interest in macrobiotics has mushroomed, and the descriptions by George Ohsawa and Michio Kushi on the order of the universe are based on some very sound principles; I’ve seen no specific discussions so far about reincarnation, but their descriptions of creation and how life works seem to suggest reincarnation can occur. I hope to get Ohsawa’s books in the near future.

        In 2006-2007 I met a woman via phone and Internet who lived in Illinois and was participating in a pilot program arranged by a group of telepaths who were seeking people whose animals they could communicate with to explore and work on their abilities. This woman communicated with my horses with only a photo of them which showed their faces clearly. I told her nothing about each horse. It was a fantastic experience which of course has been poo-pooed by human arrogance.

        Animals are as unique and as diverse in their evolutionary and transformative experience as humans. I know that is an absolute truth. One horse in particular I was told by the Illinois telepath has been with me in other cycles; that horse was one of several stolen by psychopath #1 and #2 and is still alive and held as a “trophy,” in horrific concentration camp type conditions. Many of my other horses were killed there. The nonprofit turned out to be a government front for political money laundering and I have been trying to expose it as well as the animal cruelty, and of course the horses are pawns used to try to shut me up. It’s a hornet’s nest of sadistic psychopaths, with a lot of power and money.

        I’ve had an indescribable bond with the one horse mentioned so it’s quite possible that we’ve shared more than this particular journey. I don’t doubt that the bonds of love between species remain eternal and change forms and transform to merge again – and do so for an infinity, and that Jasper is Coal in another form.

        I could go on eternally about the beautiful world of animals – of the nonhuman variety.

        I think psychopaths are the epitome of human ignorance and arrogance at its most extreme, trying to block, subvert, and control and destroy the natural order of the universe at every opportunity. One natural purpose of our evolution into humans, according to macrobiotics, is to merge with other life which preceded ours and dissolve back into Tao/God. We can’t do otherwise. Psychopaths are literally swimming against the fricking current. The name of your website says it all, Skylar.

  9. Dorothy, I agree animals can do some pretty bizarre and cruel things – mainly carnivorous wild animals. When I was reading Daniel Andreev’s treatise, Rose Of The World, his theory is that the cruelty of animals was a product of interference and evil which went back to very ancient times. I really don’t know what to think. Maybe some of that behavior has to do with an aspect of natural evolution and transformation we don’t understand yet, and maybe that destructive aspect of the animal realm will evolve further. Unless we wipe them out too, which wouldn’t surprise me.

    We aren’t biologically designed to eat meat, and I believe that’s one main cause of psychopathy as well as disease and destruction of our civilization.

    Skylar, thank you for that link to the Girard material – that’s going to be a good read! I’ll delve into that starting tonight.

    What I’ve appreciated about the macrobiotics material I’ve been enjoying is that both authors, Ohsawa and Kushi, point out the many parallels within their philosophy and those of Christianity as well as other spiritual philosophies.

  10. Hi SoulSister,
    30 years. wow. my condolences and also congratulations on your escape! How long since you’ve been free?

    Yes, we all have the same experiences, just different details. It’s like the same story but the names and places have been changed. As crazy as my story seemed to me, imagine my surprise to learn that it was the story of human nature and it had been written a million times.

    Still, if you want to share your story, you can post it at the tab at the top, under “Community” and “Share Your Story”. All of us here can validate your experience.

    I’ve heard that about Disney being a mind control organization and I’ve seen some shocking YouTube videos about that. I just don’t know what to think on that topic yet. Information is so easily manipulated and I haven’t really looked further into that. Maybe I’ll check out Cathy.

  11. Truthspeak

    Welcome, Soulsister. There are many Soulmisters out there, as well – human predators can be men, women, AND children.

    Survival happens. Recovery is what we make out of our escapes! :-)

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